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Stacy Adams Kallum Cap Toe Oxford Men's Shoes Cognac 25568-221
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Shoe Size:7
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Key item features
- Soft
- Comfortable
- Lace
Current price is USD$130.00
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About this item
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Stacy Adams Kallum Cap Toe Oxford Men's Shoes Cognac 25568-221
The classic cap toe design of the Stacy Adams Kallum Cap Toe Oxford is highlighted by its richly burnished leather upper and stacked heel.
Add in the breathable linings and our cushioned RedZone footbed, and you have a shoe that is as comfortable as it is good looking.
- Smooth leather upper
- Textile linings for added breathability
- RedZone removable footbed with molded heel cup that provides anatomical arch support for a more comfortable stride
- Durable rubber outsole
- Soft
- Comfortable
- Lace
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Specifications
Shoe size
7
Brand
Stacy Adams
Shoe width
Medium
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Sep 3, 2025
Patricia
5 out of 5 stars review
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Gorgeous Shoes
I bought these navy Kallum shoes for my husband to wear to our daughter's wedding. They are stunning and of exceptional quality. The fit, as per previous reviewers is a bit large, so I had ordered a half size smaller than his regular size and they are perfect. Nice cushioned insole as well should make for a comfortable wear for the entire day.
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Shane
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Great show and look
Great show and look
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Nov 8, 2022
Bill the Thrill
5 out of 5 stars review
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Stylish shoe, yet so comfortable! Very pleased!
I know by pictures that it would be a great looking shoe that can be worn for work as well as business casual or even casual. The comfort level is what impressed me the most! You can spend a whole day wearing these shoes and not feel like you need to immediately take them off at the end of the day!
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