My boyfriend has an old Wrangler shirt in this style, and it is a very sturdy and comfortable shirt. We bought a few new ones, and were disappointed on two fronts: 1) Shirts are VERY starchy. Have washed twice with fabric softener, but gotten no results yet. Wrangler-- any suggestions on this? Is it a natural starch or a plastic-based starch??? 2) the black forrest green is black when unwashed, and green once you've washed it. Just so you know.