My son wears all manner of Wrangler bottoms, and they are all the same size - slim. I ordered that size for him in these pants and had to return them because he couldn't even button them, they were so tight! I ordered the next size up and they barely fit. I'm considering returning these for the NEXT size up, but I'm concerned about them being too long. This does seem to be an anomaly for Wrangler. Other than that, he loves that they stretch - he's a serious skateboarder and likes that he can move easily in Wrangler pants with stretch, while still looking "cool".