These pencils were purchased for a 4 year old homeschooler. He did not need adaptive pencil grips due to the size, weight and shape of the pencil. Most people don't understand but learning the gradual stages of pencil grasp patterns are more complex than we realize. Shipping was expected to arrive in 4 business days came 2 days after order was placed so thanks Wal-Mart. Just some tips as you clearly must be buying for a toddler/preschooler lol . Have patience, you do not want your child to pair your frustration with learning. And everyone learns differently try adaptive pencil grips or play doh.