This is the 4th year of using Dickies pants for uniforms. Yes, they are stiff out of the package but they do relax after washing yet still retain their crisp appearance. My older son is rugged with clothes, but this is the only brand that is durable and have held up. They are still like new and will be great for my younger son. The knees are reinforced, not just lined like the others. The fabric is such that stains wash away, just not pen ink and indelible marker. The red Dickies tag doesn't seem to be a problem for standardized dress code. The shorts DO lack the adjustable waist, but a belt solves that problem. The seem to run a bit long , I'm not complaining, just an honest observation. I wish I could say that about clothing for myself. If you're looking for good value/quality and long lasting durability, these are the way to go!